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Appreciate this interview. I will put the book on hold, it’s very relevant to my work.

I do want to say that I think a lot of the “average” employees (midlevel, low level, and even some c-suite!) at philanthropic and nonprofits organizations do think about these issues and have been talking about these things for a while. (Folks should check out Vu Le’s amazing Nonprofit AF blog — he would be a great interview for culture study!)… the forces that we who envision a different way forward are working against, though, are as is illustrated in this interview, systemic and hard to move the needle on.

And I appreciate the point about Mackenzie Scott’s efforts not moving the needle on public policy or systemic change, but philanthropists and organizations also come in for criticism when they try to do that (for example, the Red campaign and related One campaign are about advancing funding and advocacy for policies to end poverty and HIV, ultimately working towards achieving certain sustainable development goals)…. So it can feel like there is no winning.

I don’t know. I got into this work because I was once a bright eyed, bushy tailed college grad who wanted to do work that aligned with my values. In some ways it’s never felt like a more hopeless time for those of us in these fields — individual giving is decreasing, governmental support for global health and development causes is shrinking as resources are redirected domestically and also to global conflicts… the author is right that things are not working. But it can be hard to keep your head up sometimes as we try to work towards a better system!

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If MacKenzie Scott built a network of public buildings/institutions across the U.S, like Carnegie’s libraries, wouldn’t she be criticized for deciding what communities need, versus supporting the local communities in their existing infrastructures and deciding for themselves where money should go? I don’t run to defend billionaires from critique, but I do sometimes feel like no matter what MacKenzie Scott does with her money someone somewhere will go “aha! here’s why it’s wrong though!” It’s hard for me to imagine her saying “I’m going to give cities these big buildings that will be a positive value-add because they’re publicly accessible and beautiful” and people not thinking that’d be wrong. I think she’s operating in such a wildly broken system (capitalism in the U.S) and doing something really powerful and positive with her totally unearned privilege. People should get universal basic income, and have enough food to eat without individuals donating to food banks, and everyone should have free healthcare, and everyone should have safe homes to live in. Dogs shouldn’t be euthanized in overcrowded shelters made of concrete. Our government fails us. Billionaires shouldn’t exist. I think Scott giving away her money no strings attached is the best thing she can do.

Edit: an additional thought is that I think it’s a really bizarre argument to make that Carnegie’s outcome/impact was superior to what Scott’s may be, after just critiquing the very cold hard metrics of movements like effective altruism. Do we really want to measure philanthropy by outcome and not by process? It is Scott’s process that has been so revolutionary in philanthropy. This critique grounded in the comparison to Carnegie just feels really reaching to me.

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